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07/20/2009

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I concur that some sort of regime for recognizing private property claims in space is needed for some forms of commercialization to take place. With the USSR's conversion to a capitalist Russia, we might be able to get some limited revisions of the Outer Space Treaty to allow mining and the like.

The movie Outland has some interesting concepts based on the Old West territories. IIRC, Glenn Reynolds and others have said that the situation of private mining ventures policed by US Marshalls is not far off from what could be legal now - the argument is that while territorial claims can't be made, signatories still have a right to enforce laws on citizens/corporations like they do on air flights and at sea.

A couple of points - Branson, despite his rebel pose, is operating within the FAA's process for commercial spaceflight. From what I have seen, the FAA is operating with a (relatively) light hand. The State Department's ITAR rules on tech transfer have been difficult at times, however.

The orbital debris problem has been recognized for a while and NASA and the other government space agencies have negotiated a set of design guidelines that will minimize future debris generation. Unfortunately, old equipment designed before these practices were put into effect have been causing more debris.

The most valuable real estate in space, orbit slots for communication satellites, are allocated by treaty right now, IIRC.

Alice

Who will enforce these grand international laws? As the US grows more to resemble a third world nation, and most of the third world sinks deeper into idiocracy, only China, Russia, India, and perhaps Brasil retain the will and potential to enforce these "treaties."

With China and Russia as world hegemons to fill the vacuum left by Obama's retreating US, enforcement of such treaties is apt to be spotty and a bit one-sided.

Ah, well! Under Obama, the US may not be effective, but at least it will be completely innocent. We all know that the meek inherit the Earth every single time. Perhaps the same is true for outer space.

Sigivald

Forty years later, the Outer Space Treaty has generally served the international community well. No state has claimed sovereignty over the moon or other celestial bodies. States have not placed nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on the moon or anywhere else in outer space as prohibited by Article IV.

Rubbish.

States have not done that with nuclear weapons (or others) not because of the OST, but because there is no reason to, for those capable of doing so.

ICBMs in bunkers or submarines are more secure and thus better deterrents (or offensive capabilities) than orbital weapons.

(The latter would have a quicker strike capability, but A) that only matters when one attempts to do a first strike against a global nuclear power and B) none of the global nuclear powers would be defeatable rapidly enough even with such a platform.)

Likewise, "claiming" a celestial body can't actually be stopped by the treaty, which can be repudiated at will. It hasn't been done because nobody can enforce such a claim.

Weaponisation* and territory claims in space cannot be stopped by words on paper - only by states willing and able to do so, with force of arms if necessary.

(*Already been done, decades ago, by the USSR with automatic cannons on spacecraft.)

doug l

There are good reasons Antarctica doesn't look like Alaska in regards to their developement, and no doubt Space will resemble both in some ways and neither in many others, but at this stage all we know is that it will be a different and I think a more vigorously competitive frontier than anything human history has experienced before while reflecting something of the jump in scale it represents for our species.

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