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07/01/2009

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Greg

the last sentence is somewhat biased as all new stores of any size ask for those same benefits. To state that what Wal-Mart does best is to dump costs on taxpayers is too simplistic for this site. I would expect better, more reasoned thoughts.

Tom O'Brien

I think this discussion is missing one other thing. If the feds (like MA) set-up a pay or play system, they will get the math way wrong.

In MA an employer had to pay something like $800/yr if they did not extend coverage. Coverage costs $5,000/yr. So, all the employers cancel their health plans and happily dump those HC obligations on the state's plan which promptly (and predictably) runs WAY over budget.

So if I'm Wal-Mart and I can reduce the cost of and outsource all the hassle of healthcare at the same time. Why not? I'd be for it too.

TO'B

OT

"sales and property tax abatements" do not make you a rent seeker nor is it anti-capitalist.

Leaving 18th (and 16th) century notions of what free market capitalism aside, seeking to REDUCE payments to government does not put you in the same bucket as, say, a private company receiving government grants to study product development - very common in BioTech, for example.

As for the trope of having un/der-insured workers seen publicly available/funded healthcare would make ANY business, including my high-tech employer, a suckler on the government teat.

-OT

AD

I hope I'm not the only Sam Walton fan who is now reconsidering my commitment to shopping at Wal-Mart? Their sell-out needs to have consequences.

Rockefeller

When the profits for every business are determined in Washington DC the inevitable result will be that the free market forces companies to spend their efforts making profits...in Washington DC. Who is John Galt?

Keith D. Milby

"In sum, Wal-Mart is just doing what it does best: dumping costs on taxpayers."

Interesting...

In that corps like Wal-Mart as well as any other company don't actually pay taxes, but simply collect them.

This to me does not seem to be a bad thing. If the company is not having to collect the tax, we are not having to pay the tax, so we win. Right?

Taxes can only, ultimately be paid by the consumer of the products and services offered by corporations.

The consumer tax would ultimately rid us of all this confusion.

Jim G

Wal-Mart is just doing what any smart businessperson would do. They're taking money wherever they can get it. "All contributions gratefully accepted." Their stockholder's wouldn't have it any other way. The problem, if it is a problem, is with the govt's that hand out the money in order to get companies to do other than the most economically efficient thing. Additionally, one thing that nobody has mentioned is that WalMart was given a few million in startup money from the state of Arkansas years ago.

Bob Gnarly

All companies seek to lower their operating costs when they locate a facility that employs hundreds or thousands of people. Tennessee recently offered GM $20mm worth of benenfits if they would reopen the Spring Hill plant.

If it costs Wal-Mart $12mm less to put a store in Nashville than it does in Charlotte, the store is likely going to go to Nashville and the benefit of Nashville's citizens.

This is the reason jobs and people flee business-unfriendly places and emigrate to business-friendly environments. In the end, a place that uses incentives to attract business will have higher employment and a broader tax base (though it may take a number of years to recoup initial tax breaks).

I don't think any of this makes Wal-Mart 'anti-capitalist'. It is just standard, and smart, business practice. 12mm in tax breaks and subsidies may translate to 12mm in sales and promotions they can offer to their customers, which in turn generates value to its shareholders.

The point about hurting competition through employer mandates is more telling, though again it is not unusual for any business to attempt to maintain their hold on a market. The rarer case will be a company that attempts to decrease regulation on both them and their competition. After all, Wal-Mart is in business to increase shareholder value, not act as some kind of capitalist touchstone.

It might even be the case that the millions of forum-goers and editorial writers who have long attacked Wal-Mart as the great Satan are getting what they've preached all along.

John Moore

I too am disappointed at the reasoning in this post.

So far, WalMart has been doing what any capitalist company would do: optimize its return on investment in the environment it finds itself. If part of that involves a deal with the local government, that's because the local government believes such a deal is in the interests of its voters (barring corruption). While the practice of making such deals by local governments is clearly a bad thing, the practice of WalMart in seeking and using these deals is rational and reasonable.

Walmart is, indeed, a capitalist success story. It built from nothing to a huge corporation, in the processing becoming the nations largest employer (i.e. providing lots of jobs) while reducing the cost of goods and services to consumers. It made a lot of money for its stockholders (my little bit, started in the '70s, grew into a much larger little bit, for example). They developed crucial innovations in reducing supply chain costs, as a pioneer in aggressive integration of cutting edge automation with their business practices.

WalMart has been and is a great company.

To excoriate WalMart is simply wrong. The problem is government, not WalMart.

Rix

And with public health care, Wal-Mart need not provide family insurance. Only insurance for the employee themselves. Families will go on the public plan.

Tank

The equation of a) not providing a large number of employees with b) government subsidies strikes me as dubious at best. Doing so requires some curious assumptions about labor markets. Also, by that logic, I take it that any employer of someone who qualifies for the EITC is guilty of rent-seeking? It would seem to require the same odd assumptions about how labor markets function.

Joe L

What some of you fail to realize is that Wal-Mart's obligation is not to you or me UNLESS we are shareholders. They are simply taking advantage of what the system has prepared.

To expect them to fail to capitalize on the availability of local government largesse is completely unrealistic and naive.

Principles are great, but shareholders want results.

bill reeves

walmart is going where taxes are least. The tax incentives are tax cuts. Would you have walmart refuse tax cuts to the expense of its customers or go to the places where taxes are highest?

Anyone who does otherwise is a fool and this site should know better.

Basil

Joe L has it right. If the tax abatements are an issue, then the tax authorities (under the pressure of their constituencies) should say no. Walmart can then figure out whether it's still cost-effective and profitable to do business in that location.

Walmart, like the major sports teams, are doing this because it makes good business sense for them. They are acting in their (and their owner/shareholders') best interest. The people should simply act in their own best interest.

Walmart would not receive any "purity points" were they to desist from asking for the tax and other changes.

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