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01/21/2010

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Greg

Footnote 7 - Scalia's concurring opinion, Page 8

The dissent says that “ ‘speech’ ” refers to oral communications of human beings, and since corporations are not human beings they cannot speak. Post, at 37, n. 55. This is sophistry. The authorized spokesman of a corporation is a human being, who speaks on behalf of the human beings who have formed that association—just as the spokesman of an unincorporated association speaks on behalf of its members. The power to publish thoughts, no less than the power to speak thoughts, belongs only to human beings, but the dissent sees no problem with a corporation’s enjoying the freedom of the press.

Alex

Is there a distinction for foreign or multi-national corporations. It does not make sense to give US citizen protections to foreign corporate interests. Furthermore, it doesn't make sense that the inanimate corporations could exercise more power than actual people.

How does one say separate, say the RNC, DNC or a political action committee from a corporation?

Should we count corporations in the census too?

This is clearly the rights of the corporatocracy trampling over the rights of the people.

Hocking HIck

The authorized spokesman of a corporation does not speak for every shareholder -- just a few bigwigs.

From the comments at Volokh:

"The point being that the speech of a company or a union is controlled by a few insiders and will often be weakly — or even inversely — correlated to the views of the stockholders or union members. Doesn’t it seem a little strange to ground the free speech right for a corporation in the collective free speech rights of natural persons who may — and frequently will — disagree with that speech?"

Joe

I don't see how the owners of the corporation matter in this debate. After all, don't we teach in Corporations class that a corporation is a legal entity, separate from its shareholders? It's a bit too convenient to be mentioning the rights of those shareholders now; if they want to speak or contribute to political campaigns, they can.

Sigivald

Alex: One doesn't separate them. That's the point.

Can you explain how my rights are being trampled because a 501(c) or even a plain old for-profit corporation can speak politically?

(For extra credit, explain how the "media exemption" that allowed eg. the Times and Fox News and DailyKos to "speak" without cessation or limit is not "trampling on the rights of the people" despite those organizations also being "inanimate corporations"?

You've just argued, without realizing it, that media should be banned, because any media corporation can speak "louder" than any individual.

Plainly, given that newspapers existed in 1780, and that the Press is explicitly protected from restriction of speech, this is a view not expressed in the Constitution.)

John

The problem with corporate "person" is that corporations don't have the downsides of a real "person". Corporations more than ever are super people who can live forever, but don't breathe, eat, sleep, etc. They have rights, but not responsibilities or constraints of people. They also, reflect a small fraction of societies thinking. And, since this thinking is no longer constrained by the 1st Amendment in campaigns, a CEO in Saudi or China can now influence an election for president. Would the Saudi prince want to control American policy, of course! This is scary and will haunt us soon enough. Great going Citizen's United, you just unleashed a monster. I think we'll always remember, 1/21/10 as a day of infamy.

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