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08/23/2010

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save_the_rustbelt

I have worked with hundreds of lawyers, and taken some night law courses and sat through CLE courses to supplement my knowledge.

What puzzles me is:

A student can get an A in contract law without ever reading an actual contract.

A student can get an A in property law without ever seeing a deed.

A student without a single accounting class can get an A in tax law, and worse yet, become a tax lawyer or a tax law prof.

What is amazing is that so many lawyers overcome their educations and become great practitioners.

Patrick H. Stiehm

I for one particularly enjoyed the points that are being made in this particular post. That they come from a faculty member at eight top 20 law school, who is himself a member of the academic elite, makes the points doubly powerful.
I graduated from a top 20 law school in 1967. A law school’s rank was far less meaningful at that time than it is now. Even at that time however, the leading edges of the professorial elite, as opposed to just plain good lawyers, was beginning to emerge on our faculty. The faculty at my school, at the time, had a tiny handful of younger faculty members who had never practiced law in any form. Virtually every other member of the faculty had law practice experience, some quite expensive. Indeed most of the faculty members who had employment away from the law school were involved in activity advising real clients, as opposed to just hopping from visiting professorship to visiting professorship. The law school has enjoyed construction of a cutting-edge facility, greatly expanded library facilities and a substantial increase in the number of faculty members. All enjoy very good salaries. The law school budget as well as tuition has exploded. The number of students being educated at law school has increased only slightly since I graduated. It appears that significant resources are devoted to keeping the school in the top 20.
It does not appear to me, however, that the students attending the law school or the public has enjoyed much benefit from the "progress" the law school has made over the years. So much for top 20 status.

Roger Byrne

I like the post a lot because it points out some the structural problems within our society. There are similar problems in the field of finance as well.

In addition I have read numerous posts where the ivy education is not what it claims to be, the the big hurdle is getting in, but then you are golden. I am beginning to believe this as the current administration is stocked with people from Harvard and Yale. Yet they are not very adept at figuring how to solve our counties problems...Example....Saved jobs...too cute by half...

Clay Boggess

Perhaps it's because good lawyers don't always make good teachers any more than good teachers make good lawyers? (I know this rule applies to sales people and their managers)

Mike

There is just no pleasing you. In this post you slam law schools for hiring law professors with no experience as practicing lawyers. In prior posts you have slammed UC Irvine Law School for hiring Bill Lerach,a man who knows his way around a court room and a jail cell better than most, as a law professor. Picky, picky, picky.

Larry Rosenthal

As it happens, I have recently completed a paper on much the same subject, available here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1630574 I use the example of the ill-starred legal career of John Yoo (it bears noting that the Bush Administration itself repudiated an extraordinary number of Yoo's legal positions) to demonstrate that scholars who have not had the occasion to develop the kind of professional judgment that is so central to the practice of law are unlikely to be able to impart this most critical of skills to their own students. Although Newton may go too far in expecting a professor who teaches criminal law to be able to try a criminal case, for example, I think it is quite right that the ascendance of the theoretician has had the unfortunate consequence of removing from the legal academy those who are familiar with the type of professional (and eminently practical) judgment necessary in the practice of law. Although Holmes taught us that the life of the law was not logic but experience, the legal academy seems to have forgotten that lesson.

Larry Rosenthal
Chapman University School of Law

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